And we're live. Bird, how you doing, man? What's going on, Pete? How are you? Good. We had talked about

getting together and doing an episode on somebody besides Ted here, but maybe we'll put that off into

the future. That was a fun one. Remember what we talked about? Yes, I do. Yeah, I think I'm, I'm getting

ready to do a like this whole series on the

subject so i think uh an episode with you would be great on that um but yeah we can wait on that

we can i ask you a question um absolutely what what's the fascination with ted man that's that's

that's the wrong way to ask that question makes it sound like you have a fascination with Ted? Matt's, that's the wrong way to ask that question.

Makes it sound like you have a fascination with him.

What is the emphasis on Ted for you?

Well, put it this way.

Most of the way, most of what people know about Ted is Rush Limbaugh getting on the radio and reading from Ted's

manifesto and then reading from Al Gore's manifesto and going, can you tell the difference?

Now, was that a good thing or a bad thing at the time?

Well, it was a bad, it was a bad thing because all he was, all they concentrated on is his environmentalism.

They don't concentrate on the fact that this guy lays out a, he's a psychologist, sociologist. his his breakdown of why people are unfulfilled and why

they're unhappy and exactly what the what the industrial revolution which he blames on the

industrial revolution may have done to people by people by depriving them of the power

process and things like that is I mean put it this way after if you understand the

his power process and you understand what he talks about with surrogate activities. Once you really understand that,

you have, you kind of have to apply it and look at it in your own life. And when you start

looking at it in your own life, you're like, holy shit, this guy's right. And I've never

heard any, you know, I've never read anyone, heard anyone talk about it, talk about it the way he did, especially as he applies it to the left. But I think it applies to everyone.

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