I'm Alan Olga and this is clear and vivid conversations about connecting and communicating. Maybe we don't want moral AI.

We want obedient AI.

We want it to do what we want and we don't want it to kill us but if it's true moral it might tell us to stop

doing a lot of things we're doing. Would a moral AI stop us from factory farming, from killing billions of sentient creatures very painfully

for food, would it intervene?

And even at a personal level I don't want it, what would I do? What would I think of tax software that's very AI generated and won't let me exaggerate the size of my home office?

What would I think of what would I think of my self-driving car that refuses to drive me to a bar because I drink too much?

At least, go back home and spend time with your family.

That psychologist Paul Bloom.

We had him on the show a few years ago when he and I... That psychologist Paul Bloom.

We had him on the show a few years ago

when he and I had an enjoyable tussle

over whether empathy was actually a useful thing.

We invited him back for this episode, the last of three special shows on AI,

because I wanted his take on kind of an important question.

AI bots are presumably devoid of empathy.

They're just machines after all, right?

So could they ever be moral?

Could they be given a sense of right and wrong?

Turns out it's complicated.

Paul, this is very interesting for me to be talking with you because we've been talking

a lot about artificial intelligence on this show and the question that looms in a lot of people's minds is

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