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Ready For Retirement

Pay ZERO Capital Gains Tax vs Roth Conversions in Retirement: How to Determine Which is Best

Ready For Retirement

James Conole, CFP®

Investment Planning, Bonds, Education, Stocks, Cash, Business, Dividend Investing, Retirement Planning, Retirement, Investing, Tax Planning

5706 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2024

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Listener Drew asks about a tax strategy for juggling capital gains and Roth conversions. While it can be a complicated question – especially when large accounts are involved – James provides some general guidelines that can be helpful for anyone with similar gnarly tax strategy challenges in retirement. In this episode, we’ll cover the extent to which required distributions will be an issue, what you need to alleviate that issue, and the timeframe within which you have to do that. Jam...

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0:00.0

One of the challenges that you're likely going to have in retirement as you start to implement a tax strategy is you're going to ask yourself the question of what degree should I focus on and prioritize Roth conversions versus to what degree should I focus on and prioritize tax gain harvesting.

0:14.8

This can be a tricky thing to juggle because both have tremendous benefits.

0:19.0

And what we're going to do in today's episode of Ready for Retirement is to help walk through, use no listener's actual situation. We're going to

0:25.8

walk through an example to see how should you prioritize each. So let's jump right in.

0:32.6

This is another episode of Ready for Retirement. I'm your host, James Connell, and I'm here to teach

0:37.3

you how to get the most of the life with your money.

0:39.5

And now, on to the episode. The listener question that we're going to be going over today comes from Drew.

0:46.8

Drew says this. He says, here's the puzzle I'm trying to solve. Do I continue to sell stocks out of my non-retirement brokerage account, paying 15% on the capital gains,

0:55.2

or do I spend more money out of my traditional IRA paying 22% and hope that I can control my

1:00.9

income well enough in the future to take advantage of a 0% tax rate on ordinary capital gains?

1:06.2

For reference, here's my situation.

1:08.8

My annual living expenses are about $110,000. I have $2 million

1:12.8

in a tax deferred retirement account. I have $800,000 in a Roth IRA, $300,000 in a brokerage

1:19.4

account, $11,000 per year in a pension, and Social Security coming someday. From Drew.

1:26.4

So Drew, thank you very much for that question. I think

1:28.6

this is a good example to use as we start to understand how do we prioritize various tax strategies

1:34.6

in retirement. And it looks like Drew is specifically asking about tax gain harvesting because

1:40.1

he asks how does he keep a 0% tax rate on his long-term capital gains? So I'm going to take

1:45.9

that question and also add on to it and talk about to what extent should we also be looking

1:50.5

at things like Roth conversions. So, Drew, we are going to look at your question, but we're going to

1:54.0

add on top of it because this is a very common thing. Here's what I'll say before we jump in.

1:58.9

This typically isn't a tremendous issue for someone that doesn't have a good amount of money in both IRAs and brokerage accounts.

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