So nice to see you. Thanks for coming. Oh, yeah, it's my pleasure. I think this is my first podcast. Is it the first? How about that?

I don't know. I don't know what you were plugging, but it was a radio show. Alex Bennett show in the morning. A live radio show. I wouldn't expect you to remember, but you had a nice weather jacket on. I remember you're compilating the weather jacket. I don't know what it would have been. It probably would have been in the early 90s.

It could have been like 96 maybe 97. I don't know 97 when I was promoting newly school. Yeah, man. That was a big that was a big thing. Yeah, that was like he's back. You know what I never left. I know I know that they love to say he's back. Yeah, well, I did, you know, I was living on my own sale, but it was an 82 foot 20 foot of beam. Yeah, for so many years sailing around the Pacific. Really? Oh, yeah. And of course, don't you know everybody said, oh, he just don't out of his

head out there, saying around. No, and you don't pull over in parking. That's right. So you can't be still under your head. Right. You have to grab now we have GPS system. Yeah, grab the sex. I'm a slust. Oh, yeah, go ahead and make the shot on the the moving deck of the boat. So you can't be thrown. You can be still. Yeah, why me, but I mean, I would think of being out on the ocean is enough. I mean, why would you need to be high on top of that? Oh, yeah, that's the trip. When did you start doing that? Well, I began sailing.

I was sailing a little boat when I was 11. Oh, so it was in the family. It was something you always did. Yeah, my dad was in the Navy. Yeah.

And so I had this little it was called a cat boat. It had a Marconi rig, which is, you know, doesn't have the gaff. Yeah. And it was like 14 feet long, 13 and a half feet long. Yeah.

And this was off the North Shore of Long Island, a place called Lloyd Neck. And I'd sail out there. And you really learned how to get as close as you could on the wind with a very difficult boat. Right.

With no jib. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It made Mrs. Just way up for it. So you get a sense of it. Yeah, you learn a lot about making way and not being able to get very close on the wind. Yeah.

So that's how I started there. And then and you loved it. I loved it. I got a sailfish. Yeah. And then we went over to the Mediterranean. And my father had it shipped over.

And the problem was the French people wanted me to put a French flag on it because it was an American hole. And then this is a funny sailfish. You know, it's like a surfboard with a sail. What do you mean? And a flag on it? Holy holy. Was that a problem? Was it an international incident? No, I mean, I just ignored them. Did you what you lived over there for a while with your family? Yeah, my father, my second stepmother and my how many were there?

5, no, no, no, no, no, three, some of this for me. Yeah, but he was married five times. Oh, yeah. And you all you and Jane and the second stepmother were in the Mediterranean and France. The second stepmother. Yeah, it was in France though. It was in France. It was in Cappucas, which I mean, Picasso had a villa out the end. Oh, yeah. And there was a Swedish summer school there. Yeah. Well, all these Swedish kids.

Including Carl Gustaf, who was now king of Sweden. Now he was there. And you were going to school there. I was, no, he was. I was just trying to figure out how to stay my head above water in this family. Yeah.

But we would invite all the kids down to the villa where we were staying because my dad would be gone with my second stepmother. That was very good. Yeah. It was good when he was gone.

We had these kids in the Swedish summer school. They were there and a couple good looking cows and Carl Gustaf. Yeah, he must have became 15. Yeah. I was 17. Yeah. And at one point, there is this image coming coming through the hedge is Greta Garbo. Really? Now Gustaf is not. Yeah.

Yeah. Carl Gustaf has no idea. Yeah. This is Greta. Yeah. She's got a bathing cap on. Yeah. And a big Trey cloth robe. Yeah. And she walked straight over, said, I'm going to go swimming now. I said, yes, it's perfectly fine. And she just took off the Trey cloth totally naked. No. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And by that time when she talked to me. Yeah.

Carl Gustaf realized it was Greta Garbo. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. John dropped and she got into 50 laps. God, I put her back and went back. She was coming from John Gilbert's villa. Oh, okay. Oh, there was some amazing stuff happened. And that gives me something that I could talk about in a good way. Yeah. There was a lot of real bad shit that was going down in terms of your family. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But what was it? The old man was this an abusive dude? I know. Not really. His.

I think he was extraordinarily shy. Uh-huh. And he had a difficult time expressing love. Oh, yeah. In the sense that, you know, he didn't, he became uncomfortable when he felt that he had to put on some demand. He had to respond to some demand. And that wasn't really what was happening. Yeah.

But regardless of how tough things were in different times, I'll tell you what I grew up the first eight years of my life. Yeah. I knew nothing about race or color. Yeah. I had no idea. Sure. First African American I saw was not King Cole. I saw he's the first black man I see in at your house at my house. We had 12 acres out on on Tiger Tail.

Just out in Went and Brentwood, but up in the hills. And that's a party. So it would come up. Sure. Yeah. And one of them was this guy. Never seen him before. I never seen black man before.

And then he's smiling. He was just around with everybody else. Sure. He was a guest. Yeah. But he sat down at the piano. Yeah. And began to play. I pay. Yeah. It was beautiful. I had to take piano lessons. I'm looking at. I'm so left handed and I'm looking at 88 keys of right handed. Yeah. But this guy's he's doing. He's smiling of me. He's smile is just. Yeah. Explosion of right teeth and white.

And I was staring at him and he said, do you play? I said, well, they make me take lessons. Yeah. And he got very serious. He said, you know, never look at playing an instrument like somebody's making you play it. Yeah. You got to think you want to play it. I said, well, sir. I'm very left handed. There's 88 keys of right handed. He looked at me. He's watching this. He crossed his hand over to place. Cal Cal. Boogie. Yeah. And then he taught me how to play Cal Cal. Because Boogie. Boogie.

Up here is when. Is the run is down in here. The portal is on the left hand. Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing. I felt like such a fool. And I only know it. It was Boogie. Boogie. And not, you know, Mary G. Doughtson. Old. He notes a little. Yeah. Right. So that's a great, a great lesson to learn. Well, I did tell him a little bit later that the first piano recital I had to do. The song I was playing was Ladybug Ladybug. Yeah.

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