ID the Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

Welcome to ID the Future. I'm Eric Anderson, and today I'm pleased to be joined again by Dr. Eric Hedin,

author of the new book, Canceled Science, What Some Atheists Don't Want You to

See. Dr. Hedin earned his PhD in experimental plasma physics and has taught physics in astronomy

in Indiana and in Southern California. His research has focused on computational nanoelectronics

and higher dimensional physics. Welcome back again, Eric. Thank you very much,

Eric. It's good to be here again. So last time we were talking a little bit about the information

problem as it relates to the origin of life. And we were talking about physicist Arthur Hobson

and the generalized second law of thermodynamics, which applies not just to heat and the kinds of things that we would typically think of in thermodynamics, but also to information content of a system.

And Hobson noted that the information content of a system subjected to natural processes can't increase over time, and in fact, it tends to decrease over time. And you

mention that this is a very critical point for origin of life because if we're going from

something like the proverbial primordial soup to a single-celled organism, that's a quantum, huge,

huge leap in information content, which this loss is really can't happen. So I'd like you now, Eric, to address

one of my pet peeves in this area, often when this topic is discussed and people who are

skeptical about the naturalistic abiogenesis story point to the degrading tendency of these

natural systems.

And that's true whether we're talking about the dissipation of energy under classical

thermodynamics or the loss of information under the more generalized principle that we've

been talking about.

When those observations are made, it's common to hear supporters of abiogenesis say something

like, oh yes, but the earth is an open system.

There's energy coming in from

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