Hey, everybody, my guest today is John Vier Carlin, who is a jet blue pilot. She's been a

commercial aviation pilot for 25 years. She's worked for Jet Blue for 10 years. She is also

the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit against the CESA to block the never ending federal transportation

mass and it's she is arguing along with 10 other pilots in this lawsuit, the first

asking arms pilots health creates dangers to aviation safety. John Vier is the wife of an

act of duty Navy pilot. He's been a pilot for 28 years and she is the mother of two teens.

Welcome to the show John Vier. Thank you for your clutch and you know thank you for your

courage and for standing up. You said in your in your note to me that you're not a very

interesting participant but this is saying your life has now taken an interesting turn, hasn't it?

Oh, I'd much rather be in that cabin in the woods at this point in my life.

How did it happen? Well, I would blame it on the vaccine mandate being brought to us in our

employment or employers. It kind of drove a lot of us that are anti mandate or we have a religious

exemption or medical exemption or whatever reason it kind of drove us together to help support

each other through those issues and the extension of the mask mandate for the fifth time in January

was when you know we're already like-minded and then we start discussing that issue more

thoroughly and finding out that we all kind of have the same thoughts and concerns about it as

it applies to pilots especially that we probably needed to stand up and do something about it

or else it was never going to go away and the way in which it came about was obvious that you

know there's no end in sight and doesn't matter if they say it's going to end on a certain date

that date comes and goes and here we are going into April.

Oh, how do you find the other pilots through the internet chat groups?

Well, it's a very small community aviation is and just within my own friends at JetBlue

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