Hello and

Welcome to Ways to Change the World.

I'm Christian and Guru Murphy, and this is the podcast

in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas and their lives and the events

that have helped shape them.

My guest this week was born in Australia and became a human rights lawyer before deciding that she would rather be a playwright and moving to London and her most successful work to date is prima facie which starred Jody Comer in the

London stage and has won lots of awards and has now been turned into a novel as

well and is a very hard-hitting story of a young barrister who works the system

who defends men accused of rape and confuses witnesses and gets men acquitted until she herself finds herself a victim of rape and going through the system.

The play itself has led to all sorts of of rape and going through the system.

The play itself has led to all sorts of changes

in the way the law is applied in this country and abroad

and you really have kind of changed the world in this respect.

Well you know it's exciting because you think as a lawyer I should be changing the world

but it actually happened when I was a playwright.

What wasn't good enough about the law for you?

You know I actually loved the law and I was in court every day.

I worked as a human rights lawyer.

I also did criminal cases for young people under 25 who had lots of complicated issues.

And I found that when I was in court that I realized that my way of

storytelling was something that had more effect than my kind of manipulation of the law so to speak.

So the way I described a client who was being put into prison or into a sentencing

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