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Hello, you're listening to the Times Red Box Politics podcast, Patrick McGuire,

still in for Matt Chawley all this week. It's Wednesday, so we're doing PMQ's on Pat

today with me and Tim Shipman, but first, our economist panel. No Alice Thompson this week,

so Robert Crampton and Dorothy Byrne join me earlier.

The columnist. On time's radio. Yes, that time of day, so it's time to chat to two of our

favourite commentators. On a Wednesday, it's usually Alibat, but there's no Alice Thompson today.

So Robert Crampton's still here, Morning Robert. Morning Patrick.

And Dorothy Byrne, former editor at large for Channel 4 News and now president at Murray Edwards

College in Cambridge joins us on the line. Morning Dorothy. Good morning. How are you doing Robert?

I'm good. Patrick, yeah. I'm fine. I'm not chasing by your, not chasing by your guest to experience.

Am I what, sorry? Your guest to experience just now? No, no, no, I'm reasonably, I was reasonably

pleased with myself until you started putting me down. Trash talking. Yeah, no, it's a very high,

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