Stoveleg Media, igniting conversation. We're joined today by friend of the show Lauren Conlon, who we haven't seen in quite some time.

Lauren, thanks for hanging out with us today.

Thanks for having me, guys.

I miss you.

Lauren, the host of The Outlier podcast pop crime TV on YouTube the

primetime crime podcast with Jared Farentino always super busy always on Fox Nation

documentaries now I do you sleep ever no I do sleep I do sleep a little bit, not well, as you guys probably

don't either. But, you know, covering a lot of cases, it's tough because sometimes you really,

you got to dive back in and get those little details that you once had that seemed to kind of

go away after a few days. It's almost like when

you're cramming for a test in school, you got to like really review things after a while or else

it'll just leave your brain, right? Yeah, they certainly run together. And especially like the

case we're going to be talking about today, Karen Reed, it is, I mean, there are just so many angles, so many details

confirmed and unconfirmed that when, like John and I, I think, did our homework more to ask you

questions today than we normally do for our own episodes just to try to keep everything straight

because it's wild.

Yes. And I hope I can answer them, I guess, as quote, both sides would answer them.

And I say that because this case, you think that you're spitting facts, but then you've got someone else that's going to come over and say, hey, wait a minute, it didn't happen like that.

It happened like this.

And I've never seen a case like this before you guys.

Not once in my life have I ever encountered saying something that I felt like was completely

indifferent.

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