But A, I feel people have been horribly misinformed.

And that's partly my fault.

It's partly the fault of our journalism industry, which has bought into horse race coverage and us versus them gamifying politics.

I'm sorry, I'm just going to say it.

This is like sloppy statistics, but white people don't elect Democrats.

So, you know, that's another thing that we really got to grapple with.

Pete Hanks, Robert Kennedy, Matt Gates.

It's like three people with like legitimate sexual assault claims against them.

Just like, here, throw them the keys.

It's fine. It's's totally fine all the things they

were told were needed to achieve real climate action and they didn't fucking do it sorry for

dropping the first f-bomb somebody had to do it hey hey everyone it's John Bewin, producer and host of C-On Radio, and it is so good to be together with this, well, virtually with this remarkable group of humans.

My co-hosts for the full-length season-long series we've done over the last eight plus years on scene on radio.

And we're here to talk about the 2024 presidential election, in particular through the lens of the work we've done together, exploring who we are as a society, really, as we say, and how we got

this way with me, four of my favorite people. And so we can hear your voices right away,

you all. Could I ask you to kind of help me introduce yourselves? And let's start with Ellen McGirt,

my most recent collaborator for season seven, capitalism. Ellen, remind us kind of what you do in

your work life and what you're working on these days. Oh, I sure well. Hi, everybody. This is the

best dinner party I never had. Thank you for being here. I'm

Ellen McGirt. I'm a longtime business journalist. I'm most recently the editor-in-chief of Design

Observer, which is a small independent media company, which feels like a really good place to be right now.

But I'm best known for my work at Fortune in the last 10 years where I focused on inclusive leadership, diversity,

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