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How to Be a Better Human

Power, purpose, and the American presidency with Jared Cohen | from ReThinking with Adam Grant

How to Be a Better Human

TED

Self-improvement, Education

4.21.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

What do the most powerful people in the world do after they've achieved success? Jared Cohen is a history buff and a presidential historian. His latest book, “Life After Power,” is a fascinating exploration about what seven American presidents did after leaving the most influential job in the world. In this episode of ReThinking with Adam Grant, another podcast in the TED Audio Collective, Adam and Jared discuss the psychology of the founding fathers, debate the pros and cons of pursuing a legacy, and share what these historic figures can teach us all about pursuing and finding purpose.


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0:00.0

Here at Life Kit, NPR's self-help podcast, we love the idea of helping you make meaningful lifestyle changes.

0:06.7

Our policy, don't be too punishing on yourself or too grand in your goals,

0:11.6

which is why we've got shows on how to help you make little nudges to your behavior and create habits that stick.

0:17.1

Join Life Kit to get the tools you need.

0:19.8

Listen to the Life Kit podcast from NPR.

0:26.1

Hey everyone, Chris Duffy here.

0:28.5

On how to be a better human, we try to offer you advice that might change the way you think about your life.

0:33.7

And today, I want to share another podcast with you that I think might also make you think

0:37.8

differently. It's actually called Rethinking, and it's Rethinking with Adam Grant. Now, if you

0:42.1

don't already know Adam Grant's work, he's incredible. He's an organizational psychologist who

0:46.7

explores the science of what makes us tick. And each week on his show, Adam talks to some of the

0:51.8

world's most fascinating and influential people to uncover bold

0:55.1

insights and surprising science that can make us all a little bit smarter. In this episode,

1:00.5

Adam is talking to Jared Cohen, a historian and businessman who spent years working on a book

1:05.1

about American presidents. Specifically, a book about how that kind of extraordinary power

1:10.3

affected seven very different

1:12.5

presidents' perceptions of meaning, purpose, and legacy.

1:16.2

And I like that this isn't necessarily just an episode for history buffs.

1:20.0

This is an episode for everyone because Jared is using history to talk through some of the

1:25.0

really profound everyday questions that we all have about fulfillment

1:28.2

and purpose and what that looks like even at the very highest levels of success. If you like

1:33.3

this episode, and I think you're going to, you can find more episodes of Rethinking with

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