Hey everybody it's Joe Trippy and welcome back to another special guest

episode of that trippy show.

After you made our episode with Rick Wilson,

one of our most popular episodes ever,

many of you wrote in and said,

hey, I'm fired up, now I want to know what to do. We'll get to that. We'll be doing a

state-by-state previews again later this year. But where does everyone in what

Simon calls the family, the pro-democracy movement,

need to focus this year.

We brought our friend Trivi Olson back on to talk about it.

We work in the trenches with Trivie every day. Everything we do with the Lincoln Project

has a purpose, whether it's audience of one, Trump trolling, or moving key voters in key states. I can't think of a better person to have on to talk about

where we stand. Trigby, welcome back. Thanks, Joe. It's great to be on.

Hey, Alex, so where should we get started buddy? You know last week we started off by talking with

Rick about where we think this thing's going what we think the narrative our

could the election is and Trvie you're part of those

conversations with us and we really wanted your take to start off to how you see

things like Dobbs how you see things you know with all the research you're doing.

We'll get into that, but where do you see things from a macro level?

So you know, it's one of those things where the more things change,

the more they stay the same, I think, for right The you know the key states which you guys talk about all the time are Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona and

and some days I think all of us wake up thinking, oh, well Pennsylvania is looking good, but Arizona is the problem.

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