Alex, you know, you've been climbing for how many years now?

28.

Have you ever had a coach in those 28 years?

When I first started climbing at the gym, I was on the youth team, so I had, you know,

there was a coach for the team, so there was a fellow that helped teach us technique and movement

and things like that.

So yeah, I had a coach a little bit.

And then I've done a few sessions

of sort of private coaching or maybe it's more like training over the years, you know, where you

sort of, yeah, just have some, it's like consultations with people a handful of times. But I've never

really had a coach coach. Did you ever, Did you ever need coaching on your mental approach to climbing?

Yeah, you're laughing, but no, I read The Rock Warriors Way.

I read all the sort of mental training books, especially back when I was starting.

Because, I mean, I had to learn how to climb on gear, same as everybody else.

I mean, I was gripped.

I thought the gear would all fall out.

I thought I was soloing all the time. I probably was solding all the time.

That's how I got into soling. But no, I definitely read everything available about the mental side

of climbing as well. And really had to practice it just as much as anybody else.

Obviously, you've played in a world where it's like you follow training plans, you go through

that, you take the feedback. But do you think there's a difference between training and coaching?

Yeah, well, I think climbers, I mean, I think I often use the terms interchangeably, and I think

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