Putin's Invasion Part III: How It Could End

How It Happened

Axios

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🗓️ 28 March 2022

⏱️ 24 minutes

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In part three of How It Happened: Putin’s Invasion, Axios World editor Dave Lawler examines a difficult reality — that the only clear path to peace in Ukraine is a deal between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, but the red lines drawn by the Russian and Ukrainian leaders do not intersect. This episode features interviews with Zelensky’s chief of staff, a member of Parliament in his party, two close observers of Putin and the Kremlin, and a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine with decades of diplomatic experience in the region. Across these interviews, Lawler tries to determine the end games for Putin and Zelensky and the likeliest scenarios for how this conflict could end. Credits: This episode of Putin's Invasion was reported by Dave Lawler in collaboration with the Axios newsroom and produced by Naomi Shavin. Barak Ravid contributed reporting. Julia Redpath is executive producer. Alison Snyder is the series editor. Sara Kehaulani Goo is the Editor-in-Chief. Ben O'Brien is the mix engineer. Mixing, sound design, and music supervision by Alex Sugiura. Theme music and original score by Michael Hanf. Special thanks to Axios co-founders Mike Allen, Jim VandeHei and Roy Schwartz.

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0:00.0	I'm Dave Lawler, the world editor at Axios.
0:07.2	In this season of How It Happened, my colleagues and I have been documenting the war in Ukraine
0:11.1	in real time.
0:12.7	At the time of this taping, we're just over a month out from the beginning of Russia's
0:16.5	invasion of Ukraine on February 24th.
0:19.9	Many of us following this closely have started to wonder, is there any possible end in sight?
0:35.9	This episode will focus on what a deal to end this war might look like.
0:39.8	And what happens if Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelensky don't resolve this conflict through
0:45.0	diplomacy.
0:47.0	You'll hear from Zelensky's chief of staff, a member of Parliament from his party, two
0:52.0	experienced Kremlin watchers who've been speaking with people in Putin's orbit for years,
0:56.5	and a former US ambassador to Ukraine with decades of diplomatic experience in the region.
1:03.0	These conversations will illuminate the motivations of Putin and Zelensky.
1:06.9	Take us inside the complex decisions they're both facing and consider what the end game
1:11.3	could be for each of these leaders and this conflict.
1:16.9	This is how it happened.
1:18.4	Putin's invasion, part three, how it could end.
1:32.9	In recent days, there's been a stark difference in how Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and
1:38.4	Russian President Vladimir Putin are speaking about this conflict.
1:42.9	And Vladimir Zelensky has been calling for a ceasefire, demanding security guarantees
1:49.9	in any peace agreement to ensure Russia will never invade again, and insisting that peace
1:56.9	is the best option for Russians as well.
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