Hello and welcome to another episode of the Restisted Politics Leading, the new channel

of interviews that Rory Stewart and I do, and I guess today is perhaps the least well-known

of our interviews so far, but far from the least interesting, definitely amongst the

most courageous and certainly a leader. She's the leader in a fight and I'm now quoting

the name of her campaign, Stop Wieger Genocide, and she's the UK director of the World

Wieger Congress. She's also amazingly a singer, a writer, an artist, a photographer, an award-winning

interpreter, and she's a former chemistry teacher. She's been living in exile in London

with her son since the year 2000, and she's never been back to her native, what she calls

East Turkestan. I met her at a recent holocaust memorial event hosted by the Anne-Frank

Trust in a small group of people, which contained a holocaust survivor, the descendant of a

holocaust survivor, and a recent victim of antisemitic violence who were lighting candles

together. And she was there as a reminder that genocide remains a threat and for some

a reality. So that day we got talking and I felt that our listeners would like to share

in that conversation. So I asked her to come on the podcast. So if I pronounce this

well, tell me so. Have a proud and say badly tell me. Rahima Mahmoud, welcome.

Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's Nana.

Rahima, most of our listeners will have heard of the struggle of Wieger Muslims, but just

to start, who are the Wiegers? How many Wiegers are there? Where are they? What are their

beliefs and values? And what is the genocide of which you were speaking at the Anne-Frank

Trust? So we Wiegers, we are Turkic people. So we speak Wieger language, which is almost

same as the Uzbek language. And the only difference is the kind of dialect. So the root we

call a lot of Turks call us Wieger Turks. And we believe in Islam as we are Muslim. And

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