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Welcome to rationally speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

I'm your host, Julia Galef, and my guest today is Professor Chris Frazier.

Chris is a professor of philosophy at the University of Hong Kong, and I reached out to him because I've recently become fascinated with this group.

I guess you could call them an intellectual movement in ancient China called, I'm sure Chris will correct my pronunciation of all these words shortly, but called Mozi.

I'm sure that's wrong.

Chris, you'll have to help me. The Moists. Yeah. Moists? Okay, that's, I'm sure that's wrong. Chris, you'll have to help me.

The Moists, yeah. Moists? Okay, let's go with that. That sounds easier to pronounce.

Anyway, there's not as much written about them, not as much coverage of them as I think they deserve.

They're a strikingly fascinating group of people that were sort of an anomaly in their time

that had a lot of modern views and a pretty cool effect on Chinese society. And so, as I said,

they haven't gotten as much coverage as I think they deserve,

but Chris is one of the top experts on mohism

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