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Welcome to Rationally Speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

I'm your host, Julia Galef, and I'm trying something a little different for this episode of Rationally Speaking.

I've been wanting for a while to try having two guests on the show with at least somewhat different perspectives on a topic and then have a joint discussion where we

try to map out, where do we agree, where do we disagree, and why. It's a tough thing to do,

even offline, as I know from having tried it many times, but I think it's a worthy thing to

attempt. And I'm excited about the topic

and the two guests today. So the topic is what role major scientific publishers, like

Elsevier, play in advancing scientific progress? Are they helping? Are they holding back progress?

And I'm especially interested in open science, which we've talked about on the show before.

For example, I did an episode with Brian Nozik, who's the head of the Center for Open Science,

and we've talked about the importance of being able to share data and methods in other episodes

with Samin Vizir and Yuri Simonson.

And major publishers, like Elsevier, have been coming under fire for holding back the progress of science in general and of open science.

So we're going to talk about why and how justified is that.

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