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Welcome to rationally speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

I'm your host, Julia Galef, and my guest today is Kelsey Piper.

Kelsey is, in my opinion, one of the best new journalists out there.

She writes full-time for Future Perfect, which is a branch of Vox that's devoted to topics that have the largest impact on the world, as opposed to just sort of covering topics

that are new as in news. Kelsey has also been a blogger for years, which is how I started following

her. Her Tumblr, The Unit of Caring, is one of my favorite things to read. So we're going to start

by talking about some of the work she's been doing for Future Perfect, and then transition

into talking about some of her personal writing on topics like morality and mental health. So Kelsey,

welcome. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks so much, Julia. Why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about how Future

Perfect came to be? What's its origin story? Yeah, so Future Perfect is funded by the Rockefeller

Foundation. And my understanding is that they were interested in the way that having an outlet

where some people could focus full time on a question and on coverage of that question

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