And the This week we welcome back the one and only the legendary the man himself the

co-originator of permaculture, activist, author, philosopher, parent, teacher, many hats.

The one and only David Holgren. thank you very much for being here.

Well, it's good to speak to you again, Gordon, after some time.

Yeah, it goes quick.

This old time business. It definitely goes quick. So we're speaking today about a remarkable little film that I watched last night that you guys have put together called

Reading Landscape and I want to talk about the origin of it and then and then

go into into some of the meat of this this wonderful

project so I mean let's begin there where how did did this project Yeah, it originated with a colleague Dan Palmer who got me involved in a permaculture design project he was involved with. It was a large scale rural design and at that stage in his work

that was fairly new for him and he brought me in to do some reading of the landscape to get interpretation

of the geology and other features and that he didn't feel he fully understood from all

the contour mapping and other stuff that he done on the side And he was so excited by what came out of that process that he became

enthusiastic about recording me reading the landscape.

And it was also for me after decades

of being passionate about reading landscape as a fundamental skill for permaculture

design and also have to communicate and educate people about this because it's not about here,

I'll tell you something I know.

It's about enlivening our innate abilities to read landscape in the same we have innate

abilities to read people and ironically Dan Palmer gave me a bit of a breakthrough because he was reading me reading the landscape and he gave some terminology even to describe what I was doing and so that intensified our partnership and then you know he sort of talked about making a film and you know then there was involvement from someone that had been a student at his who was a filmmaker. They were spending

time together and been involved in other possible documentation projects.

And so that emerged from there with Dave Maher, the filmmaker, and it was a very organic project and I suppose I was the primary subject,

but we were also involving progressively other people

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