Hey everybody I've got a great guest today.

Colonel Jocks Bowd holds a master's in echometrics and postgraduate diplomas in international

security and international relations from the Graduate Institute of International Relations in Geneva.

He worked several years in the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Services.

He was trained in U.S. and British Intelligence Services. He was trained in US and British Intelligence Services.

He was an advisor to contingents there in the Congo

from 1995 and 1996.

He worked at UN headquarters in New York and created the Geneva International Center for Humanitarian

Demining and the information management systems for mine action today deployed in more than 60 countries. He installed mine

action programs presumably meaning removal of landmines in Chad, Sudan,

Somalia, and Ethiopia, he contributed in establishing the concept of

intelligence in UN peacekeeping operations and he headed the first integrated UN Joint Mission Analysis Center in the Sudan in 2005 and 2006.

He was head of policy and doctrine at the UN Department of Peacekeeping Operations, he headed the research department on the African Union's International Peace Support Training Center at Nairobi, before being seconded to NATO by the Swiss government to head NATO activities in Brussels.

He is the member of UN Expert Group on Security Sector Reform. He authored several books on weapons, intelligence,

AIDS, and warfare, and terrorism. You know, it's interesting about your biography. It doesn't

show that any kind of military background were you in the

Swiss military at one point? Yes absolutely I'm in the Swiss military I had a more

civilized CV as the one you read, but I am also military. You know in Switzerland, we have the concept of citizen soldier. So we are both citizens and soldier. We have weapons at home. We do it's it's kind of a

national guard if you want. The Swiss Army is a national guard. I started with

the command of a commander unit, then I was in command of a

tank battalion, a Leopertu battalion, and I ended as colonel and and General Staff first for intelligence and then at the General Staff of the Swiss Army and that's my current, I say I'm retired if you want so that's my my current rank if you want

Colonel in general staff. Colonel General Staff in the Swiss Army is the rank of

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