Hello and welcome to best laid plans.

This is your host, Sarah Hart Unger, and this is the podcast where we talk all things

planning and planning adjacent.

And I have a treat for you today.

I don't have that many guests on this podcast. I feel like I have

about one a month. That's what I aim for. Sometimes they are really big people in the planning space,

and those people are always a lot of fun to have on. For example, I've had Cal Newport, who has his own

planner. I have had Greg McHugh in the author of

Essentialism. I have had, I'm like drawing a blank right now, but I've had a bunch and they're really,

really fun. But every once in a while, someone sends me kind of like another story, like a more

just how a person is using a planner. And I was absolutely struck by Stacey Mellum, who emailed me to tell me about

her Franklin Covey planner that she's been using various versions of for more than three decades.

I think actually she might have said 40 years during the interview, which is incredibly

amazing. And as someone who is, as I mentioned in the last episode, playing with planners

where you can take out pages, put pages in,

move things around. I was particularly intrigued. I've never actually seen a Franklin Covey planner

in person, but I love the idea of planners that are designed to help you set goals based on your

values, use your time intentionally, and that have stood the test of time because obviously

they've been around for a really long time at this point. So I'm not going to talk much longer because

Stacey does all the talking, but she is a fantastic example of someone who has made her

planner system work for her over a long period of time, how she's adapted that system to

various parts of her life,

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