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Happy Friday, Freckled Foodie Fam. Today we are joined by Joe Holder.

He is a Nike master trainer, the founder of the Ocho system, exercise snacks and system of service,

and a writer for GQ, along with many other things. I have been following him for honestly.

I want to say like a few years now and have always been really intrigued and interested by his content

because I love a fitness instructor who does not apply and one size fits all to everyone.

And he just seems, I mean, this interview shows, but from a far as a consumer,

I've always felt like he really educates himself and loves information and loves to learn and

then applies that when it comes to fitness. And it's very clear in this conversation that he does

a lot of that. This conversation dives into a ton of stuff on exercise and how, you know,

working out an exercise shouldn't be that complicated, but also how you do have to do hard

things and life isn't easy and we get into a lot of our struggles with, you know, ending a

college career of sports and just adjusting to the real world and what that is like for a former

college athlete and honestly, so many topics, a wide, wide, wide variety. I love this conversation and

I hope you guys enjoy.

Joe, thank you so much for joining Freckled Foodian Friends. I'm very excited to chat with you

because I feel like I personally have so many questions that I've always wanted to ask you

from a far, from following you on Instagram. Yeah, thanks for reaching out. Pleasure to be here.

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