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We have with us today Stephen Hayward. He is at Berkeley in the law school and at the

Institute of Governmental Studies. His books, many books, include the two-volume Age of Reagan,

and Patriotism is Not Enough.

Harry Jaffa, Walter Burns, and the arguments that redefined American conservatism.

He has a new book out, and it is called M. Stanton Evans.

Conservative, wit, Apostle of Freedom, our topic today. Welcome,

Stephen. Well, thanks, Mark. It's really fun to join you. All right. You know, first a biographical,

autobiographical question. How did you end up as an intern for this fellow named Stanton Evans?

Yeah, so, you know, I was always a conservative, and I was a conservative on my college paper,

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