Like any other radical group, they cannot agree on a single thing besides the thing they all are here for.

It's perfect. Welcome to you wrong about. I'm Sarah Marshall and today we are talking about revolution and resistance with Kelly Carter Jackson.

Kelly is the author of a new book called We Refuse a Forceful History of Black Resistance.

And in this episode we talk about her book, we talk about resistance, we talk about what

revolution is, what we're taught it looks like, what it really can and really does look like.

And we really do a bit of a survey course of American history,

which does make sense because Kelly is the Associate Professor

and Chair of Africana studies at Wellesley College.

So we're doing some back to school and we're talking about the American Revolution, which I'm putting in air quotes for the moment. We're talking about post-World War I America, way up until the protests in 2020.

And this is an episode that Kelly and I were talking about making for a little

while and timing was one of the questions as you might imagine for a kind of election- adjacent time,

picking what to share with people, what to talk about,

and what conversations feel important to have,

and to share is kind of a tricky and fascinating thing at this moment

but what I love about this conversation what I hoped it would be and what I now know that

it is is that this is a conversation about resistance and change and the work that we do every day, not all at once.

So I was really happy to be able to have this conversation with Kelly at this time and to be able to share with you.

You may also know Kelly Carter Jackson from her previous book, Force and Freedom. It was a finalist for the Frederick Douglas Book Prize.

And you may know her from her podcast work,

including co-hosting this day in esoteric political history,

and you get a podcast,

and you can probably guess who that's about.

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