I remember when the COVID shots first came out, there was a lot of confusion about whether it was safe for fertility.

And I was one of the first people to say, look, here's the data so far.

It is safe for fertility and cost-benefit analysis. It's better than COVID.

And oh my God, I got attacked for that.

Now five years later, we know for sure there's no issues with COVID shots and fertility or pregnancy.

But then we didn't.

So it was fine if they were saying it's going to kill you, but it was not okay for me to say, no, that's not true.

Actually, here's what the true facts are.

So the adherence to the belief system was so intense, very cult-like.

Welcome, everyone, to Was I in a Cult?

I'm Liz Ayacuzzi.

And I'm Tyler Mesa.

And today's episode is a bit of a departure, but not very far because it's still about cults.

Perhaps less robes and rituals and more group texts and green juice.

Today we're exploring the overlap between wellness wellness culture, vaccine skepticism, and what

happens when the search for truth becomes belief and starts to replace real evidence.

Our guest is Dr. Laura Ehrlich, a licensed acupuncturist and fertility specialist who spent

decades bridging the gap between

Eastern and Western medicine. But when the pandemic hit, that bridge collapsed. And Laura found

herself at Ground Zero in the clash between Western medicine and the ever-expanding wellness

industrial complex. And at the center of it all, a charismatic leader, of course, one Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

RFK Jr., a man who went from respected, respected, I think, respected environmental lawyer

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