All right. Hey Rob, thanks for joining me tonight.

Yeah, good to be here.

This is a moment when several of us have to get together and talk.

Yeah, so the occasion is earlier this week,

Deborah Holding released a lecture on Holstein Houses,

where she said that it never existed in ancient astrology,

and she blamed you and Schmidt for inventing,

she says Holstein Houses in modern times or something to that extent.

Well, the only thing I invented was that term,

and I didn't invent it because of project hindsight.

I was in an astrology gathering being conducted by B.V.

Ramon from India,

and he introduced the concept of signs as houses.

And this was in the 1970s?

Yes.

Okay.

At that point, I think our friend was a rumor rather than she was at the feet of her of her teacher,

I think, but I said, I leaned over the person next to me.

I said, this is a whole sign house system and the term was born.

And when we started finding in the Greek material, it just got transferred.

Right.

And it is, by the way, regardless of anything she says,

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