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Russia's next war?

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🗓️ 4 April 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

As Putin wages a shadow war across the European continent—and the US commitment to NATO grows uncertain—we ask: would the West really defend the Baltic states if Russia advanced?


Andrew Marr is joined by Oliver Moody, Berlin bureau chief for The Times and author of Baltic: The Future of Europe.


Drawing on deep history, extensive reporting, and sobering military realities, Moody argues that Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are not just small nations on the edge of Europe—they are a test of whether the West still believes in itself.


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0:33.7

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0:42.6

Hello, I'm Andrew Marr, and you're listening to Politics from The New Statesman.

0:46.4

We've got something a little different from our usual listener questions this week,

0:49.5

but do continue to send them via the link in the show notes.

0:53.0

The team reads them all, and we will do our very best to answer them.

1:01.4

I'm delighted to be joined today by Oliver Moody, Berlin Bureau Chief for the Times and author of the book, Baltic, The Future of Europe.

1:11.7

In this newly published work, he traces the borders and history of Sweden, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia to understand how the future of Western security will unfold amid war and changing political forces. Oliver, hello, very good to have you on the show.

1:17.5

Thank you very much for having me. Let's start with, I guess, a fairly obvious question.

1:20.9

When Kiyosama hosted the leaders of 15 countries on the 2nd of March to talk about security

1:25.7

guarantees for Kif, there were some notable

1:27.6

omissions, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. How was that received? Very, very poorly.

1:33.6

They feel that they have the most at stake being the most militarily exposed members of NATO

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