Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host Tim Miller.

We've got an Atlantic double bill today.

First stuff, the head boss, editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, host of Washington Week on PBS,

and author of The Biggest Story in quite a while.

The Trump team accidentally texted me it's war plans.

It's Jeffrey Goldberg.

How you doing, Jeff?

I'm good.

Thanks for having me.

I guess my first note here on the outline is, holy fuck.

I want to know, just talk us through.

You do this a little bit in the story,

but where were you when the signal

message from Mike Waltz, the National Security Advisor, came through and walk me through how you

kind of process what was happening as he invited the entire national security team onto the

group checks with you. Yeah. Quite randomly, I was in Salzburg, Austria. Let's put that aside.

60th anniversary of the sound of music. That's all I'll say. But I was in Salzburg, Austria. Let's put that aside. 60th anniversary of the sound of music. That's all I'll say. But I was in Salzburg. He invited

me in to chat with him. I've met him like I think twice in my life, not recently, probably like a

couple of years ago, but didn't strike me as a crazy thing. He's the national security

advisor and the editor of

magazine. I write about national security. We probably agree on a lot of stuff, too. At least all, Mike.

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