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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1011: Susan Rice: This Is Bloody Serious

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

The administration admits it mistakenly sent a Maryland father with protected status to the Salvadoran penal colony—but at the same time, it says the federal courts have no jurisdiction over him because he is now in a foreign country. If some of us have no due process, that opens the door to none of us having due process. Meanwhile, Trump's administration seems hellbent on destroying the U.S.-led world order, Marco Rubio is acting very un-American, and we actually do have long-standing protocols for how a president's national security team should discuss a military strike. Plus, Mother Jones reporters show the absurdity of ICE's assertions about migrant gang membership.

Former National Security Adviser Susan Rice, along with Noah Lanard and Isabela Dias, join Tim Miller.
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0:00.0

Hey guys, it's Tim. I've got a little programming note for you and a monologue about some of the news

0:06.1

that has come out overnight with regards to the El Salvador prison. So first up, we had Susan

0:12.4

Rice today. She was great. We taped her podcast yesterday. Part of the reason I'm doing this monologue

0:18.7

is that we were cut a little short, but here's the

0:21.0

thing. My mother always said we went on vacation to a new city. She's like, you don't want to see all

0:25.5

the sites on your first trip to the city. You want to leave yourself wanting more. So I think that's

0:30.1

nice. I left myself wanting a little more with Susan Rice. We can, you know, go deep on Benghazi or the nature of the Western world order at another time.

0:38.4

But she is just really, really good on Mike Waltz and the comedy of airs of the man that is in the job she once held for President Obama.

0:47.8

So that's coming up next.

0:49.5

Last night, there was an Atlantic story.

0:51.3

I'm sure many of you have probably seen that I'm going to get into more here in a second about Kilmore, Abrago Garcia. He's a man in Maryland, father of two. His five-year-old has a severe disability, autism. He can't speak. He's been here since he was 16 years old. He's fleeing the gangs in El Salvador. Somehow, we lumped him in with the Venezuelans and claimed

1:12.6

to his trend to Aragua and sent him back to El Salvador to this gulag. And the story is awful.

1:20.5

But what the Atlantic reported is that it was a mistake. And the government actually in a court

1:25.8

filing admitted that there was a mistake that this was not

1:28.4

a person that was meant to be sent there but said that we can't do anything now because he's in

1:31.7

El Salvador's custody. So I fired off a rage take about that at about 1 a.m. last night that you can

1:40.2

go listen to over on YouTube or on the bulwark takes podcast feed.

1:45.2

And so I just one kind of programming note on that and then I want to expand on my points.

1:49.9

The Buller takes feed, like I've had some when we were at our event in Phoenix and people were

1:53.4

really excited about it, loving it because they kind of want to hear our reaction to all of the

1:57.4

horrors as they are happening.

1:59.2

I've heard from other people that it's like,

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