S2 Ep1019: David Frum: It's Too Late to Stop the Pain

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The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.6 • 8.9K Ratings

🗓️ 11 April 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Trump has effectively imposed a trade embargo on China, which means that after the inventory runs out, American retail will soon dry up. Since Europeans are already bypassing U.S. military contractors to beef up their defense spending —El Salvador is our only ally now— Trump is likely to do something desperate, like firing the Fed chair or seizing Greenland. American presidents decades from now will still be cleaning up what Trump did to this country in 2025. David Frum breaks down the insanity and stupidity of the vision behind the tariffs regime as well as the deep feelings of betrayal in Canada. If globalism means peace, prosperity, and commerce, then let's be globalists.

David Frum joins guest host Jonathan V. Last for the weekend pod.
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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to the Bullwork podcast.
0:11.5	I'm JVL sitting in for Tim Miller, and I am joined today by a longtime friend, David
0:17.6	from now a staff writer at the Atlantic and host of a new podcast, the David from show on the Atlantic.
0:25.9	David, it is fantastic to have you here with us. How are you, my friend? I'm all right. Thank you.
0:30.5	Hello from Los Angeles. Well, thank you for being here. We're going to talk about a bunch
0:35.0	different things because you're the best guest on this podcast all the time.
0:40.9	Tim, as the regular host, has to pretend that he doesn't have favorite guests, but I don't have to make any such things.
0:45.8	You are the best guest.
0:48.7	Last night, we got a Supreme Court ruling unanimously on Kilmar Abrago Garcia, the Maryland father of a special
0:57.4	needs child who was wrongly deported down to the mega prison in El Salvador.
1:02.6	The court ruled that the administration must facilitate his return, but it did not order it.
1:10.0	And it also indicated that courts may not have the power to do so because of, quote, deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. David, this reads to me like a less good decision than some people seem to hope because it presumes a world of regular
1:31.4	order. Tell me, what are your thoughts on this? Well, I think oftentimes in these decisions,
1:36.7	you have a choice of the full espresso, 5-4, the espresso macchiato, 6-3, or the cafe
1:43.6	Americano at 9-0-0.
1:45.8	And so pretty obviously Roberts thought it was more important to have a 9-0 outcome
1:50.3	than to have a really robust decision.
1:53.1	I think I'm not going to gainsay John Roberts on those kinds of Supreme Court tactics.
1:57.3	It's pretty obvious.
1:58.2	It got the headline, bring this guy home.
2:00.7	He's not in Siberia.
2:03.0	He's not in China. Your claim that you have no ability to return somebody from America's only ally
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