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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1023: Ben Wittes: Sorry, We Still Have Due Process

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The White House is doubling down on justifying its extra-judicial actions around Abrego Garcia by trying to incriminate him in the court of public opinion. But the government still can't take people off an American street and send them to a concentration camp without due process. Plus, Judge Boasberg is not letting Stephen Miller off the hook for defying his order to turn the Salvadoran-bound planes around. And while the administration tries to stir up outrage about one immigrant's marital problems, they admiringly describe the evil, blood-thirsty Vladimir Putin as a good guy. Ben Wittes joins Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Buller podcast.

0:09.0

I'm your host Tim Miller.

0:10.1

Delighted to be back with my pal, editor-in-chief of lawfare, senior fellow in

0:14.2

governance studies at the Brookings Institution.

0:16.2

He also writes Do's shirt daily on Substack.

0:19.5

It's Ben with us.

0:20.8

Ouch. Is that not right?ack, it's Ben with us. Ouch.

0:21.8

Is that not right?

0:23.0

No, you know, that hurts.

0:25.7

First of all, dog shirt daily predates Doge.

0:29.3

And, you know, that's like something I would expect Dan Von Gino to say to me.

0:34.5

And, you know, who I saw on the Amtrak the other day, he was sleeping.

0:39.2

Mouth open or closed?

0:40.8

It was closed. He wasn't a bad sleep, you know, but it was, he is the deputy FBI director

0:46.7

sleeping during business hours. And if Dan Bongino on his podcast called it Do's Shirt Daily, I would think, okay.

0:56.1

But for Tim Miller to do that, ah, that's like...

0:59.6

Well, he used to be a competitor with me in the Apple Pod ratings, you know,

1:03.5

now that he's been promoted, I guess, to Deputy FBI Director.

1:07.8

You have something to aspire to it.

1:09.4

Yeah, it was nice for me.

1:10.3

I moved up one slot and, you know, in the West Moore administration, who knows what I could be deputy of? Do you feel qualified based on hosting the bulwark podcast to be deputy FBI director? Boy, you know, I mean, it does prepare you for a lot. You got to have a wide

1:29.0

remit, you know, you got to think about that. You got to be up relatively early in the morning.

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