even though we were not like a strap in young startup dudes anymore we're like dads we just

thought like hey maybe there's another shot to just start something together like we still

ended up because we're engineers we love building stuff right and so like we think oh wouldn't be

cool if we built this thing that lets you compare these two data sets and blah blah blah we didn't

really know what we were doing. We built this huge dashboard

and just data from all these different places. Nobody really wanted it. We kind of like overbuilt,

right? But then again, like looking at it now, we actually do have customers paying us for that.

So it's like in some ways we were actually more right than we knew at the time.

My name is Dave Zorab.

I'm the co-founder and CEO of Chartable.

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Dave Zorab has been coding since before he can remember.

He's among the crews where their dads bought the TRS 80s hooked up to the TV and loaded games from tape drives.

He loves music and even ran a small record label in San Francisco.

But nowadays, he focuses on his family with two little kids.

While working an angel list, he and his co-founder decided to start another thing together.

The problem was, they didn't know what to build.

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