Many put their hope in Dr. Serhat. His company was worth half a billion dollars.

His research promised groundbreaking treatments for HIV and cancer. But the brilliant doctor was hiding a secret.

You can listen to Dr Death Bad Magic, ad free by subscribing to Wundry Plus in the Wundry

app or on Apple Podcasts. This podcast explores themes of murder and rape.

The listener discretion is advised.

The victims are typically young women, many of them runaways and prostitutes.

The sheer number of murders

raises suspicion that a serial killer is at work.

Mountains of Washington offer some excellent terrain for hiding bodies you're not

finding a large number of your bodies.

He said to us, like, why would I change the way that I kill these women because it was working?

I had a problem of killing women back then.

You think of that as an illness? I don't know if it wasn't in this

or I just wanted to kill. Growing up, most of us will be taught how to escape in some way.

We have fire drills at school, or when we get on a plane,

we're given a safety demonstration.

The guidance we learn is to stay calm and never to run.

There are no guidelines for escaping a serial killer, no ground rules, no handbook. Ted Bundy and the

Green River Killer Gary Ridgeway killed almost 100 women between them, but the list of victims should have two more names on it.

Carol de Raunch and Rebecca Garde escaped with their lives and went on to help

investigators put two of the most prolific serial killers in American history behind bars.

In this episode, I'll find out how they beat the odds,

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