The news is sweeping international headlines 17-year-old Tiley and her little brother,

7-year-old JJ, have not been seen since September of 2019 and no one knows where they are.

No one except their mother, Laurie Valin, that is.

Finally police went to speak to their guardians, Laurie, and her new husband Chad Debel,

to get to the bottom of this. But when police returned to their family home after being fed suspicious

misinformation about the children's whereabouts, they discovered Laurie and Chad were gone.

Within months, Laurie and Chad have become the center of a case that is the very definition

of a twisted web. This investigation involves not only missing children, but a purported cult,

and alleged murder. On this episode I'll tell you what the grandparents Kay and Larry had to say

about their missing grandson and what they think happened. We'll also uncover more about Laurie's

strange behavior in the time leading up to the children's disappearance. And when I say strange,

I mean strange. And also investigators are not so sure that Chad and Laurie's significant

others just coincidentally met their untimely deaths. You're listening to a mother's secret,

the Laurie Valo story. Mystery and Murder, analysis by Dr. Phil. I'm Dr. Phil.

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