offered an MBA, you kindly turn it down.

Almost more importantly at that moment, we were in the midst of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Coming to global awareness.

And there I was looking at an award for services to young people.

There was an irony in being awarded a Medal of Empire for the work that was ultimately a negative impact of empire.

It seemed incongruent.

Dan Conniff, bestselling author of Be More Pirates,

presenter and uncertainty experts.

What's some of the themes that have come out of this work from people?

I found it terrifying.

People actually went and did things.

Suddenly I felt deeply irresponsible for someone taking action. I had a real moment

of reckoning. I was scared of the impact.

Let's go back to Croydon. Tell me about that growing up.

So Croydon always has a part of my heart, root of creativity. But before I understood,

I found it quite a difficult place to grow up in now I got

hugged and bullied and into fights but there were bits of growing up in Croydon that were very

creative and fulfilling and there were bits of growing up in Croydon that were a bit scary

about curiosity and exploration by the time you've hit teenagehood the more limited your

experience of the world the more limited your horizons and expectations

of the world will be.

A lot of young entrepreneurs come to me and say, well, I need to go into Dragonstead,

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