Sam Stein: How Do You Negotiate with Nihilists?

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.6 • 8.9K Ratings

🗓️ 13 March 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Democrats are stuck with two terrible options: Either facilitating a government shutdown or allowing Republicans to pass a spending bill that would defund D.C.'s police and schools. Meanwhile, CEOs are getting rattled by Trump's tariff and trade-war chaos, a 'Hispanic Hibernation' is leading to job loss, and Marco Rubio is turning Hamas supporter Mahmoud Khalil into a martyr—as the campus free speech warriors go missing. Plus, California congressman Jimmy Gomez joins Tim to discuss how Dems need to finesse their 'relatable' skills, and man up against the billionaire establishment.

Sam Stein and Rep. Jimmy Gomez joins Tim Miller.

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0:00.0	Hey, move those routers there.
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0:06.0	And as you can hear, I'm making some big changes in here,
0:09.0	because AI is making some bigger ones everywhere.
0:12.0	So I took a little trip to Nokia.
0:14.0	Super fast routers, optical interconnect, fully automated,
0:18.0	the whole data center networking portfolio, and they deliver. That's them.
0:23.4	Hey, Nokia, right on time. Get your data center AI ready. Someday is here with Nokia.
0:34.4	Hello and welcome to the Bullock podcast.
0:40.7	We're coming at you from Washington, D.C.
0:42.6	So I'm here in the studio between two ferns with managing editor Sam Stein.
0:47.3	We are actually between two ferns.
0:49.3	We are.
0:49.7	That's nice.
0:50.3	I like it.
0:50.9	Yeah, it's very quick.
0:51.5	It's pretty good.
0:52.2	We're going to start a little wonky.
0:54.8	We're going to do some Capitol Hill machinations talk.
0:58.8	And so I promise for the listeners out there in Real America outside the Beltway who don't care about reconciliation and cloture votes that I have candy for them coming at the end.
1:10.2	But we have to do this.
1:12.2	Before we get to the budget, we got Congressman Jimmy Gomez up in segment two, so I hope
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