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Radio 4. the My castaway this week is Serra Dukas, a founder of Storm Model Agency, she is one of the most powerful women in fashion.

Best known for spotting a 14 year old Kate Moss

and turning her into a multi million dollar brand.

These days, alongside models Lily Cole,

Cindy Crawford and Eva Herzegova. Her books also feature

Carla Bruni, Emma Watson and Michael Buble, people for whom modeling is a bridge to a

different life. But although she's been more than 20 years at the top of this most fickle of industries,

she claims she's never had a proper job. I've always managed, she says, to survive without one.

It was the threat of spending her teens in Doncaster that

propelled her to run away to London. Once there, she did a spot of modelling, ran a bric-a-brac stall and

managed punk bands. I'm a terrible old rocker, she says, and I always knew my life would be unconventional.

So Sir Duquesne, you say you get that feeling when you see somebody who's going to be a model.

What is the feeling as you're standing in the queue at Waitros or

wherever you and you spot one?

You know, it's one of these funny things in life. It's, for me, it's such an obvious thing that I just home in on a face. Beautiful cheekbones, aquiline nose, nice jawline. And the great thing actually about spotting people that aren't walking into your office and saying, can I be a model when you're out in the street,

you can watch somebody move and you can actually see their sort of

personality and then I really know.

You did as I see you did a bit of modeling yourself and you made a living as a model. You are beautiful but very

tiny. How come you made a living as a model? Far too small. I mean that it was

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