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She's a fellow at the Hudson Institute, former editor at the Wall Street Journal,

where many of our listeners might have seen her byline actually quite a bit. Her books include

Thanksgiving, the holiday at the heart of the American experience, and Escape from North Korea,

the untold story of Asia's Underground Railroad.

She has a new book out entitled Lady Editor, a biography of Sarah Josepha Hale and the making

of the modern American woman. Welcome, Melanie. Thank you for joining us.

It's good to be with you, Mark.

So before getting into the details, first of all,

just a general overview. Who was this person? Sarah Josepha Hale was probably the best known

woman of the 19th century, and I think she was one of the most influential women in American history.

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