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Thanks for joining us how are you. Thanks for joining us, how are you?

Thanks for having me, Stephen.

That's our pleasure entirely.

Scienceology is always a massive issue on this channel.

Everyone's fascinated with it for millions of reasons so I think we might just start by

maybe getting a bit of your background what's your what's your background and what is it

about scintology that keeps you so busy? Sure Sean has had me on a couple times before.

I'm a former editor and chief of the Village Voice in New York City.

I've been investigating and writing about Scientology since 1995.

These days I tend to write mostly for my own

substack, Tony Ortega.substack.com,

but I also write articles about Scientology

for Rolling Stone magazine and The Daily Beast.

And I think the reason why you're having me on today

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