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🗓️ 7 March 2025
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We meet bestselling writer Shon Faye to discuss her new book Love In Exile and artists she admires: Nan Goldin, The Bloomsbury Group, Bernini, Michelangelo, Pedro Almodóvar's Bad Education and performers including Tom Rasmussen, Madonna and David Hoyle.
Shon Faye grew up quietly obsessed with the feeling that love was not for her. Not just romantic love: the secret fear of her own unworthiness penetrated every aspect and corner of her life. It was a fear that would erupt in destructive, counterfeit versions of the real love she craved: addictions and short-lived romances that were either euphoric and fantastical, or excruciatingly painful and unhinged, often both. Faye’s experience of the world as a trans woman, who grew up visibly queer, exacerbated her fears. But, as she confronted her damaging ideas about love and lovelessness, she came to realize that this sense of exclusion is symptomatic of a much larger problem in our culture.
Love, she argues, is as much a collective question as a personal one. Yet our collective ideals of love have developed in a society which is itself profoundly sick and loveless; in which consumer capitalism sells us ever new, engrossing fantasies of becoming more loved or lovable. In this highly politicized terrain, boundaries are purposefully drawn to keep some in and to keep others out. Those who exist outside them are ignored, denigrated, exiled.
In Love in Exile, Shon Faye shows love is much greater than the narrow ideals we have been taught to crave so desperately that we are willing to bend and break ourselves to fit them. Wise, funny, unsparing, and suffused with a radical clarity, this is a book of and for our times: for seeing and knowing love, in whatever form it takes, is the meaning of life itself.
Shon Faye is author of the acclaimed bestseller The Transgender Issue. Her work has been published in, among others, the Guardian, Independent, British Vogue and VICE. Born in Bristol, she now lives in London.
As Frieze magazine recently wrote: Shon Faye is one of the most celebrated non-fiction authors in the UK, rising to fame for her discerning prose on culture, relationships and class. Her first book, The Transgender Issue (2021), a provocative treatise on gender identity debates in the UK, was part of her rise to fame. Not only did Faye offer a detailed survey of queer history, but she also indicated why trans-liberation is connected to liberation for all. Her new book of essays, Love in Exile (2025), explores the existential and social challenges of courtship and heartache. Rather than focus solely on the discrimination that many transgender people face, however, the text is a literary memoir that interrogates how ancient and present-day writers conceptualize and dissect love. As a Vogue contributor with her advice column ‘Dear Shon’ (2022–ongoing), host of the podcast Call Me Mother (2021–ongoing) and author of Dazed & Confused Magazine’s ‘Future of Sex’ series (2022–ongoing), she addresses the topic of romance with honesty and poise.
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0:00.0 | Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, wherever you are in the world. |
0:09.6 | I am Russell Toby. |
0:10.7 | And I'm Robert Diamant. |
0:12.1 | And this is Talkard. |
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0:14.9 | How are you today, Robert? |
0:16.8 | Today, Russell, I am feeling loveless. |
0:21.7 | Oh, that's not nice feeling. No, the am feeling loveless. Oh, that's not nice feeling. |
0:23.8 | No, the definition of loveless means no love. |
0:26.9 | Right. |
0:27.3 | Well, I love you. |
0:28.4 | Oh, wow. |
0:29.4 | Now I feel filled with love suddenly. |
0:32.6 | Maybe the reason I'm saying I feel loveless is because actually I don't really feel loveless, I don't think. |
0:39.5 | Not at least at this point in my life, age 44, because I feel like I have numerous types of different kinds of loves, various loves in my life. |
0:48.8 | You know, familial love from my mom, love I have for artists, the reciprocated kind of love you have, the unconditional |
0:56.0 | love I have with window and doorway, my cats. And also the kind of love I have for a wider |
1:02.3 | network of friends that I have who are often very creative individuals and different disciplines. |
1:06.2 | And one of those friends is here today. And she has taken the loveless rob and made me feel love through the written |
1:14.6 | word, through her writing initially, because I didn't actually know her as a friend or anything, but I knew her |
1:19.3 | through her book. The first one, which was called The Transgender Issue, at least it was the first |
1:23.6 | book that I had by her. And the subheading is trans justice is justice for all. |
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