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This is the 10% Happier podcast.

I'm Dan Harris.

Hey, hey, how we doing, everybody?

As you probably know, there is a renaissance, dare I say, a revolution happening right now in the psychedelic space.

Said revolution is being fueled by a growing body of evidence that suggests that medicines such as

psilocybin, LSD, MDMA, ketamine, and many others can have beneficial impacts on everything

from anxiety to addiction and from depression to PTSD and more.

But here's the question you might have, and this is one I've been struggling with mightily myself.

The question is, should I do this stuff?

Personally, while I do once in a while take some MDMA socially, I've not been able to bring

myself to do any of the other psychedelics like psilocybin or LSD or ayahuasca, which many of my friends and

meditation teachers have strongly recommended to me, largely because I'm afraid that as a person

with panic disorder, I might be pretty much guaranteed to have a bad trip.

Today, I'm talking to my great friend, Jay Michelson, who is a meditation teacher, author,

lawyer, and dedicated

experimenter with these molecules. We're talking about everything you need to know about psychedelics

if you're wondering whether you should give them a try. And I should say if you're already a dedicated

psychonaut or somebody who's got some experience in this area. There's a lot in here for you as well.

Jay and I talk about what the research on psychedelics shows thus far, the differences among the

various drugs or medicines, the overlap between meditation and psychedelics, the difference

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