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Shrinking AI for use in farms and clinics, ethical dilemmas for USAID researchers, and how to evolve evolvability

Science Magazine Podcast

Science Podcast

News Commentary, News, Science

4.2791 Ratings

🗓️ 20 February 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

First up this week, researchers face impossible decisions as U.S. aid freeze halts clinical trials. Deputy News Editor Martin Enserink joins host Sarah Crespi to talk about how organizers of U.S. Agency for International Development–funded studies are grappling with ethical responsibilities to trial participants and collaborators as funding, supplies, and workers dry up.   Next, freelance science journalist Sandeep Ravindran talks about creating tiny machine learning devices for bespoke use in the Global South. Farmers and medical clinics are using low-cost, low-power devices with onboard machine learning for spotting fungal infections in tree plantations or listening for the buzz of malaria-bearing mosquitoes.   Finally, Michael Barnett, a postdoctoral researcher at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Biology, joins the podcast to discuss evolving evolvability. His team demonstrated a way for organisms to become more evolvable in response to repeated swings in the environment.   This week’s episode was produced with help from Podigy.   About the Science Podcast   Authors: Sarah Crespi; Sandeep Ravindran; Martin Enserink  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is the science podcast for February 21st, 2021.

0:09.0

I'm Sarah Crespi.

0:10.8

First up this week, Deputy News Editor Martin Enshring joins me to talk about how organizers

0:14.8

of US AID-funded studies are grappling with ethical responsibilities to trial participants

0:19.9

and collaborators as funding, supplies, and workers go away. Next, freelance science writer Sandeep Revenrin

0:26.8

talks about creating tiny ML devices. Those are tiny machine learning devices or use in the

0:33.7

global south. Farmers are using low-cost, low-power devices for spotting fungal infections

0:39.0

and tree plantations. Clinics could use them for listening for the buzz of mosquitoes that might

0:44.3

be carrying malaria. Finally, researcher Michael Barnett is here to discuss evolving evolvability. His team

0:51.5

demonstrated a way from microorganisms to become more evolvable in response to

0:56.4

repeated swings in the environment. In January, the Trump administration signed an executive order

1:05.9

that stopped the USAA Agency for International Development, USAID, from doing work, making payments. And now last

1:13.3

week, in the middle of February, the U.S. courts have put this executive order on hold. But between

1:18.4

the end of January, when the executive order was signed, in the middle of February, a lot has

1:23.4

happened with USAID. Martin Nshrink is a deputy news editor here at Science, specializing in global

1:29.1

health. He edited a piece this week on some of the impossible choices that researchers and

1:33.8

public health workers have had to face in the light of the stoppage. Hi, Martin. Welcome to the

1:38.6

Science podcast. Hi, Sarah. Can you give us just a brief rundown of what USAID does? It's a lot of things,

1:45.2

but maybe we could just talk about the global health part. They do a lot of stuff. They're probably

1:49.1

best known for distributing food and medicines, and for instance, running a very big HIV treatment

1:56.0

program called PEPFAR. They do a lot in malaria, but they also do a lot of research. Some clinical trials

2:02.8

in Africa, for instance, and some of our reporting is focused on the impacts on science

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