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'Social media should be built on protocols, not platforms,' according to Mastodon's CEO

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🗓️ 15 January 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Last week, Meta announced changes to its content moderation policy, including the removal of third-party fact-checking across its apps in favor of a crowdsourced community notes feature, similar to X. Today on Equity, Rebecca Bellan caught up with Eugen Rochko, CEO of Mastodon, to explore what these changes mean for users and how decentralized social media platforms like Mastodon could offer a viable alternative to mainstream giants like Meta. Listen to the full episode to hear more about: Mastodon’s decision to transition to a non-profit in Europe The challenges of implementing interoperability with platforms like TikTok -- which is set to “go dark” in the US over the weekend -- and the importance of user choice. Which other decentralized platforms we should keep an eye on. (Hint: Pixelfed is in the mix.) Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod. For the full episode transcript, for those who prefer reading over listening, check out our full archive of episodes here. Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. We'd also like to thank TechCrunch’s audience development team.

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0:00.0

This episode is presented by Invest Puerto Rico.

0:03.4

If you believe your business can go anywhere, Puerto Rico is the place.

0:19.0

Hello and welcome back to Equity, TechCrunch's flagship podcast about the business of startups.

0:24.1

I'm Rebecca Bilan, and this is the episode where we bring on industry experts to help us home in on a trend in the tech world and dive deep.

0:31.3

Last week, META announced some controversial changes to its content moderation policy,

0:35.6

so to talk about what that change means for users and how

0:38.2

decentralized social media could potentially replace the likes of meta, we're joined by

0:42.5

Macedon's CEO, Eugene Rochko. Eugene, welcome to the show. Hi. Thanks for inviting me.

0:48.0

Well, thanks for coming on. Super excited to talk to you. So for those who don't know,

0:51.7

Eugene is the creator of Mastodon, which is a decentralized

0:54.5

open source social networking platform founded in 2016 that aims to compete with the likes of X,

1:00.5

threads, and blue sky. And actually, Eugene, you've had some fresh news this week, right? You plan to

1:05.3

create a non-profit in Europe and hand over ownership to it. Can you explain briefly what that

1:10.0

means to our listeners and why you're doing it? Yeah, exactly. So, so far, I've been the sole owner of Mastodon's

1:17.5

assets and copyright, assets including trademarks. What we're doing is we're starting a new

1:21.8

non-profit that will own all of these trademarks. And this is meant to avoid future issues that seem to become more

1:29.7

common in the open source world where there's just a conflict between the project lead and

1:35.2

the community in terms of like trademark enforcement and so forth. And it's just producing risks

1:40.0

for the project going forward and for the community as well in terms of this sort of power being

1:45.2

misused. It also unlocks more potential for fundraising for Macedon because there is a limit to

1:51.9

how much people and funds and organizations are willing to donate if there is like a single owner

1:57.5

versus just being in a foundation and having a board of directors and a more traditional

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