SOLVED! 35-Year Double Murder Cold Case CONVICTION

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

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🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Kenneth Perry thought he got away with the rape and murder of Pamela Sumter and the murder of her brother, John Sumter. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dive into a case that remained unsolved for over 30 years but was eventually solved by a combination of good detective work and brilliant DNA work done by Othram labs. Check out www.dnasolves.com to find out how you can help. Joe explains the crime scene and how investigators were able to use a "dying declaration" to get justice for Pamela and John Sumter,
Kenneth Perry was convicted of the rape and murder of Pamela Sumter and the murder of her brother, John Sumter. He was sentenced on March 18, 2025 to three consecutive life sentences, plus 100 years in custody.

Transcribe Highlights
00:00:01.81 Introduction - Malignant Heart

00:03:19.67 Othram solving the cold cases

00:05:53.64 Unsolved case of double homicide

00:09:47.60 DNA And "dying declaration"

00:14:12.53 Why Would some die after surviving two weeks

00:20:48.31 Early days of genetic material of sex offenders

00:25:18.44 Pattern wear of shoe providing evidence

00:30:01.82 Determining knife, double edge or single edge

00:36:23.44 Learning about DNA watching the OJ Trial

00:41:31.50 Crowdfunding and Access to grant writers

00:46:05.88 Suspect is now 56, got DNA sample that matched victims in Ga and Detroit

00:49:01.54 Othram helping solve cold cases

00:53:02.29 Conclusion

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0:00.0	Bodybacks with Joseph Scott Moore.
0:06.0	Malignant Heart.
0:09.5	That's not necessarily two words that you would commonly hear used in concert with one another.
0:23.4	I came across this term the first time I ever looked at the murder statute in the state of Georgia
0:32.5	when I first arrived because I'd never heard of a charge before coming from Louisiana of something called malice murder.
0:43.0	And that's actually the way they define it.
0:47.5	Now, me being a scientist, I don't necessarily prefer the term murder.
0:52.0	It's a lawyer's word.
0:53.1	I like the word homicide. But just so that we
0:57.3	understand, with a malignant heart being one of the components of malice murder, it actually
1:06.4	kind of plays out like this. When a person causes the death of another human being with an abandoned
1:15.4	and malignant heart.
1:19.4	I don't know, that kind of defines the ultimate and depravity, doesn't it?
1:26.4	But you no longer care, or that maybe you never cared and you diminish the person to the point where you could brutalize them.
1:33.3	Well, today, we're going to discuss not one, but two.
1:39.3	Two cases that are actually intertwined, a brother and sister, that lost their lives over 30 years ago.
1:51.7	And their cases have been solved.
1:56.7	I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybacks.
2:05.6	Horrible stuff here, Dave.
2:07.6	Yeah, thank.
2:09.6	These two cases, yeah, I know.
2:11.6	Yeah, there ain't no thinking to it.
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