Hello and welcome to the space policy edition of Planetary Radio.

I'm Casey Dreyer, the chief of space policy here at the Planetary Society.

This month, I am delighted to have maybe one of the most invaluable people working in space policy reporting today.

Marcia Smith, the founder and editor of Space Policy Online, a website that I visit or utilize

or reference nearly every day in this job.

Someone who's been around in the space policy world for decades, has worked at the

Congressional Research Service, and has been a part of a number of broad NASA studies and

studies on the civilian space program. Marsha's experience is nearly unparalleled in the field,

and she joins us this month to discuss the idea of change

and what prevents or enables change to happen at big bureaucracies like NASA,

particularly in the context of incoming presidential administrations,

the point where we find

ourselves in right now and the first days of 2005 as the second Trump administration nears its

start. Marcia and I discuss beyond that, though, we look at the state of Artemis, how decisions are made within

NASA, and just the role of NASA and its self-identity as it struggles to implement its probably

most ambitious program since Apollo. It's a wonderful discussion. I was delighted to have her.

I cannot recommend her website enough,

space policy online.com.

You can find her on Twitter and Blue Sky and other places on social media.

I recommend you follow her if you don't.

Before we get to that, though,

I would be remiss if I did not mention the Day of Action, our in-person congressional

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