Hi, I'm Dan Sleppian, a Dateline investigative producer for more than 25 years.

I hope you're already following my new podcast, Letters from Sing Sing.

You're about to hear a clip from the fourth episode, where I track down two of the jurors in JJ's trial.

What they said, stunned me, and I think it'll stun you too.

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Thanks.

Just start by coming your first lesson in spelling.

My name is Ramon Aviles, R-A-M-O-N.

Aviles, A is an apple, V is a Victor, I-L-E-S.

What juror number were you?

I was juror number six.

Juror number six.

He was the one who, that 84-year-old witness, Dorothy Kennedy, picked out as the gunman.

To me, it was one of the strangest moments in JJ's trial.

I got in touch with Ramon in 2011, more than a decade after JJ's conviction, and he still remembered that moment.

She pointed me out, which was something I never expected, but it was laughed at, like it was funny, in a sense.

I caught on to it because I saw the jurors looking at me.

And when I realized I went, whoa, did she just pick me out?

There was like, now there's something wrong with that.

You know, I mean, here she is, she's at the witness stand, and she's pointing at the jury box.

After that happens in your inner deliberation room, how do you vote guilty?

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