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Spy games in HR tech: Inside Rippling’s wild lawsuit against Deel

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🗓️ 4 April 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Rippling’s latest lawsuit reads less like a legal filing and more like the plot of a corporate espionage thriller, complete with secret crypto payments, an alleged mole, and a fake Slack channel trap. This week, the HR tech startup publicly named the employee at the center of its case against its rival Deel, claiming the company paid him thousands to spy from the inside. Deel, however, is not staying quiet. The company is denying the claims, calling it a dramatic distraction from Rippling’s own legal troubles. Today, on TechCrunch’s Equity podcast, hosts Max Zeff and Anthony Ha are catching us up on the week’s headlines, including a breakdown of how this saga between two HR tech giants escalated from business rivalry to accusations of racketeering, and why, according to Max, smashing the phone you use for corporate espionage with an ax at your mother-in-law's house is “the oldest trick in the book.” Listen to the full episode to hear about: The startup that’s gamifying the tax filing process, and the copyright questions that continue to rise Circle’s IPO and what the move could signal for others in the crypto space. The latest in the AI race — from OpenAI’s record-breaking raise and GPU meltdowns to Anthropic’s  AI chatbot plan for colleges and Google’s Gemini leadership shakeup. Equity will be back next week, so stay tuned! Equity is TechCrunch’s flagship podcast, produced by Theresa Loconsolo, and posts every Wednesday and Friday.  Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod. For the full episode transcript, for those who prefer reading over listening, check out our full archive of episodes here. Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. We’d also like to thank TechCrunch’s audience development team. Thank you so much for listening, and we'll talk to you next time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This episode is brought to you by Affinity, the most trusted CRM for private capital.

0:17.0

Hello and welcome back to Equity, TechCrunch's flagship podcast about the business of startups.

0:22.7

Today is Friday, April 4th. I'm Max Zeph, a senior reporter at TechCrunch.

0:27.4

And I'm Anthony Ha, TechCrunch's weekend editor. Kirsten's off today, but she'll be back next week.

0:32.2

So Max and I are going to, on our own, try to handle some transportation news, specifically Tesla. Obviously, there's

0:39.0

a lot going on with Elon Musk and politics and tariffs and other companies, but we'll start

0:46.0

off with Tesla, which reported that it had the worst deliveries in two years. And I think it's

0:50.9

hard to pull apart exactly how much of that is because of the backlash against

0:55.7

Musk, which I do think is a huge component.

0:57.9

I mean, there's like, you know, protests happening at virtually every Tesla dealership in the

1:02.0

U.S.

1:02.4

But also, I think there's a lot of macro stuff that is affecting Tesla as well, where I think

1:07.2

their business has been sort of struggling, it seems like, for a little while,

1:11.2

even before the Trump administration. So that's one thing that's happening with Musk. And then, Max,

1:16.4

you and I, I mean, mostly you also worked on another big Elon story. Yeah. So last week,

1:22.4

Elon Musk said that XAI, his AI startup acquired X, his social media platform, formerly known as

1:29.1

Twitter. He noted at the time that XAI in this deal was worth about $80 billion, and X, the

1:36.2

social media platform, was worth $33 billion. But of course, Elon Musk owns both of these

1:41.1

companies. A lot of the investors and bankers working on this are

1:44.8

kind of the same group of people. Someone, I think, put it really well on X when they said that

1:50.3

it's kind of like I sold myself my Honda Civic for $2 million, which I think is an apt kind of

1:56.9

explanation of this. That said, we have a lot of other stuff to get into on the show this

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