Starmer & Trump: a (qualified) victory?
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🗓️ 28 February 2025
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Summary
Keir Starmer returns victorious from his meeting with Donald Trump. But was it the success it seems?
Andrew Marr, Hannah Barnes and Rachel Cunliffe answer listener questions on the New Statesman podcast.
Also in this episode:
- Has Zelensky "put one over" on Trump with the rare earth minerals deal?
- Trump's "mob boss" geopolitics
- How the UK could make a radical pivot towards Europe - and have Putin to thank.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Hannah Barnes and this is where every Friday I put your questions to the New Statesman team. |
| 0:06.5 | Remember if you'd like to get in touch, you can go to newsstatesmen.com forward slash new Ask us or leave a comment on Spotify or YouTube. |
| 0:15.3 | Today I'm joined by our political editor, Andrew Marr, and our associate political editor, Rachel Cunliff. |
| 0:22.8 | As has been well established across our newspapers today, yesterday the Prime Minister Kirst Starmer had his first official meeting |
| 0:28.2 | with the returning US President Donald Trump. All eyes were on the Oval Office to see whether |
| 0:34.1 | Stama would make progress on talks over Ukraine or Trump would throw |
| 0:38.8 | in an explosive accusation or two. Now, we received lots of questions from me before that |
| 0:44.5 | meeting took place. John Sharman asked, can Stama come out of this meeting without losing face? |
| 0:51.4 | Andrew, did he? Short answer, yes. I think it's very important that we come on to the, |
| 0:57.2 | on the other hand, the howevers, the buts, the buts and the neverthelesses in due course. |
| 1:02.5 | But the basic story is that he had to come out of this meeting with signs that we were going |
| 1:07.5 | to avoid American tariffs, and he's done that. The words are quite warm. |
| 1:12.3 | We haven't got the details. This new UK-U.S. trade agreement, which surprised everybody, |
| 1:17.5 | is going to be a relatively limited one, and we need to see the details. But on that, |
| 1:22.0 | thumbs up. He had to avoid being humiliated over the Chegos Islands deal. Many people, |
| 1:28.3 | particularly on the right, |
| 1:33.8 | assumed that Trump would just squash this and dismiss it and be quite caustic about it and they were looking forward very much to that. And in fact, they got exactly the opposite from Trump. |
| 1:38.9 | So a lot of work by the Foreign Office paying off there. And then finally, of course, |
| 1:43.2 | the most important issue of all is |
| 1:44.5 | Zelensky. We'll see what happens with the Zelensky Trump summit on Friday today. That's really, |
| 1:50.3 | really important. But again, the words were better than we could have expected. He did not commit, |
| 1:55.7 | of course, to American troops inside Ukraine or to Ukraine joining NATO. Nobody expected that. But he did use |
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