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I can't believe she was his mother. The Healthy Business, Surry with an ex. Hello and welcome to another conversation about conflict on an angry planet.

Today we are talking about trying to use sanctions to change the world. With us is Stephanie Baker who's

written a fantastic new book called Punishing Putin inside the global economic

war to bring down Russia.

And so thanks very much for coming on.

Could you just like introduce yourself briefly

so people know who you are?

Sure, yeah.

I am a senior writer at Bloomberg on the investigations team. I got my start in the 1990s,

first in Prague and then in Moscow as a reporter.

So I've been at this for quite a while.

And I left Moscow in 1998 right before the Rubel crash,

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