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🗓️ 24 January 2022
⏱️ 75 minutes
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0:00.0 | I remember having a moment very early in the research for the book. I went to interview a guy called Professor Roy Balmeister, |
0:05.7 | who's at the University of Queensland in Australia, and he's the leading expert in the world on Will Power. |
0:11.4 | He wrote a book called Will Power. I'm sure everyone said of the Marshmallow test. He's the guy who invented that. |
0:15.7 | So I go to interview him and I said, you know, I'm thinking of writing a book about why people got attention problems, |
0:20.8 | trying to figure it out. And he said, oh, it's really interesting you say that, because I just find myself these days, |
0:26.1 | just playing games on my phone all the time. I just find, you know, my own attention isn't very good. |
0:30.5 | I was like, wait, did you write a book called Will Power? I was like, if you can get your |
0:35.6 | strongest will person in the world, literally all the scientific evidence about Will Power. |
0:42.6 | But if you're in an environment that invades you, you're not going to be able to defend yourself to some degree. |
0:48.0 | And I realized the shifting consciousness, I think we have to make on this issue and this |
0:51.9 | shifting consciousness on the other 11 issues as well. But on this issue, if you can't focus, if you can't |
0:58.7 | pay attention, it's not your fault. It's not something wrong with you. There's not something wrong with your children. |
1:03.4 | We are not medieval peasants begging at the court of King Zuckerberg for a few little crumbs of attention from his table. |
1:11.0 | We are the free citizens of democracies and we own our own minds and we can reclaim them from the forces that are |
1:18.2 | systematically degrading them if we want to. But we have to understand this as a systemic problem that requires |
1:24.5 | systemic solutions as well as to some degree in individual problem that we have to deal with individually. |
1:29.8 | We have to be by this week on forward the author of stolen focus why you can't pay attention and how you can think more deeply. |
1:57.4 | Yohon Hari, love this book, love this author this week on forward. |
2:02.8 | It is my pleasure to welcome to the podcast, the author of stolen focus why you can't pay attention and how you can think more deeply which we all want to do. |
2:22.2 | Johan Hari, welcome Johan. |
2:24.2 | Andrew, I was so happy to be with you, especially because you make a cameo appearance in this book. |
2:29.0 | So, no. |
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